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con l'occasione del nuvo tour, eccoci di nuovo a (piangere?) sul mondo degli scalper legalizzati o meno
Pedno spunto da qusto articolo da pollstar.com, che paragona i biglietti ai .."futures"!!!!!
Springsteen Tix Futures Market?
Updated 17:54 PDT Wed, Sep 05 2007
The first tickets hadn't even gone on sale for the upcoming Bruce Springsteen & The E Street Band tour but that doesn't mean they can't be bought online already.
Prices on secondary market Web sites such as StubHub have Springsteen tickets going for more than $1,200. From all accounts, the Boss will be structuring his ticket pricing on the low-end of the scale (approximately $55 to $95), with the general admission floor section cheaper (if more desirable) than the surrounding seats.
The low end's pretty affordable for fans of a rock 'n' roll legend but, then again, Springsteen by his own admission is a rich man in a poor man's shirt. His fans expect blue-collar pricing. Then again, a fan of the Boss might do anything to get those up-close VIP tix.
The question is, how can there be tickets, however expensive, available online when the presale hasn't even happened yet?
One Web site, Orderseats.com, even lists Springsteen tickets for various sections of the Staples Center in Los Angeles. Bruce hasn't announced where he's playing in L.A. when he comes to town October 28th, and according to sources will likely not be playing the Staples Center. Yet, section 119, row 18 was selling at press time for $1,181.
Orderseats.com didn't return a call for comment at press time, but StubHub spokesman Sean Pate explained how things operate on StubHub.com. Turns out, the practice of putting tickets online before a presale is common and StubHub sellers were offering tickets for Springsteen's Sacramento date 15 days before the presale.
"This happens for a lot of events, not just concerts," Pate said. "People have either a connection to getting tickets in advance or know they'll have tickets after the fact. Let's say you are a ticket holder at the Oracle Arena. You'll more than likely have an exclusive offer to buy Bruce Springsteen tickets even before a fan club presale. "
Corporations also sometimes get advance access or own suites and can offer them up for a night.
Then there are speculators - sellers who are testing the waters to see what the going rate will be. If several people buy $1,000 Springsteen tickets, or if they don't bite, the sellers can price accordingly after the onsale. Under its terms of agreement, StubHub sellers must provide a buyer with either the ticket purchased or one of equivalent or higher value.
"You'll see people buying the worst row in a section but knowing they'll get a ticket in that row," Pate said. "In that case, the order still gets filled with a better seat than what you purchased and the seller remains valid through our system. Any ticket listed on StubHub is guaranteed by our company so a comparable will be offered."
Meanwhile, Orderseats.com says it has a 100 percent satisfaction policy.
"This means you are not charged for any tickets unless your order can be successfully filled," the Web site says.
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Springsteen tickets sell out fast
Tickets for Bruce Springsteen's concert in Belfast were on sale on eBay less than half an hour after it sold out.
Thousands of fans were left disappointed after it took just eight minutes for more than 10,000 tickets costing £49 and £60 to be snapped up.
One eBay vendor was asking £999 for four seated tickets, and many of the sellers specialise in sold-out events.
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CITAZIONE (alebsp @ 6/9/2007, 19:41)Springsteen tickets sell out fast
Tickets for Bruce Springsteen's concert in Belfast were on sale on eBay less than half an hour after it sold out.
Thousands of fans were left disappointed after it took just eight minutes for more than 10,000 tickets costing £49 and £60 to be snapped up.
One eBay vendor was asking £999 for four seated tickets, and many of the sellers specialise in sold-out events.
infatti..robe da matti..c'è un articolo appena messo su TICKET - Europa proprio su Belfast,e comunque sld-ou in minuti vuol dire che ci sono le organizzazioni che ci speculano e rivendono, porcaccia l'oca!!. -
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riportiamo d'attualità..su BTX ci sono alcuni commenti all'intervista (vedi in A NON TUTTI PIACE BRUCE) all'ex boss della CBS, e dal discorso sui "soldi" ne esce uno sui prezzi dei biglietti...
Ecco alcune interessanti cifre messe da Tom Johnson, ovvero prezzo medio sul mercato e prezzo medio nominale (tra parentesi)
Video: Chief of Sony bashes Springsteen
by Tom Johnson on Dec 13, 2008 1:50 pm
I thought this is interesting. From StubHub: the average cost for a ticket paid via the secondary market. In parentheses are their average ticket price on the primary market:
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Highest Average Tour Ticket Prices (For tours that sold over 10,000 total tickets).
1. Madonna- $306 ($169)
2. Eagles - $234 ($130)
3. Billy Joel - $224 ($90)
4. Bon Jovi - $217 ($88)
5. AC/DC - $210 ($90)
6. Hannah Montana - $209 ($57)
7. Celine Dion - $198 ($123)
8. Neil Diamond - $193 ($86)
9. Bruce Springsteen - $191 ($99)
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segnalato su BTX un interessante articolo del New Yorker (qui un estratto), e poi una interessate riflessione di un utente
John Seabrook, Annals of Entertainment, “The Price of the Ticket,” The New Yorker, August 10, 2009, p. 34
ABSTRACT: ANNALS OF ENTERTAINMENT about Live Nation, Ticketmaster, and the live-music industry. With the collapse of the record business, the business of selling live music has become the main source of revenue for the popular music industry. This year, Live Nation, the world’s largest concert promoter, will promote some twenty-two thousand concerts.* Last year, Ticketmaster Entertainment, the world’s largest ticket seller, sold more than a hundred and forty-nine million tickets. Yet almost everyone agrees that the business of live music is dysfunctional. Live Nation and Ticketmaster are loathed by fans and their stock prices are depressed. Two recent shows that Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band performed at the Izod Center, in the New Jersey Meadowlands, on May 21st and May 23rd, have come to serve as a referendum on what’s wrong with the live music business. Discusses the decision by Springsteen and other prominent artists to price their tickets below market value, inadvertently creating a thriving secondary market for tickets. Tells about the history of scalping and the numerous attempts by public officials to prevent it through anti-scalping laws. The Internet, through sites such as StubHub and TicketsNow (which is owned by Ticketmaster), has made ticket scalping for events as common as day trading. However, the rock-concert industry has not, by and large, been able to take advantage of this new market. Writer describes a Springsteen fan, Maria Shwalb, attempting to obtain tickets to one of the Izod Center shows via the Ticketmaster Web site. She was redirected to TicketsNow, where tickets for the shows were available at much higher prices even though tickets at face value were still available. Tells how Live Nation and Ticketmaster came to achieve their places of prominence and the federal investigation into the proposed merger of Ticketmaster and Live Nation. Describes the controversy caused by the redirect of numerous Springsteen ticket buyers to TicketsNow. Springsteen himself posted a letter saying that he and his team were “furious.” More than two thousand complaints were filed with the New Jersey Division of Consumer affairs. A bill to make ticket selling more transparent was introduced in Congress. Ticketmaster, which blamed the redirect on a software malfunction, denied any wrongdoing but came to an agreement with the New Jersey Attorney General’s office to stop linking fans to TicketsNow for one year. Writer interviews independent promoter John Scher, who believes that the concert business was never right for consolidation. He also interviews Irving Azoff, the C.E.O. of Ticketmaster Entertainment. Azoff suggests that a dynamic pricing system, in which prices would fluctuate with demand, might be the future of concert ticketing.
*Correction, August 3, 2009: Live Nation produces some twenty-two thousand concerts each year, not some twenty-two hundred concerts, as originally stated.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/08...a_fact_seabrook
qui c'è anche l'audio di 25 minuti dell'articlo completo
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=111493538
l' utente "rahfa" scriveCITAZIONEGood article...but it's too close to the present, without enough context for the past.
Concerts were undervalued for years and years and there have been ticket brokers for many years. But, going back just five/10 years ago, there was no internet transparency. The only way you could angry at a ticket scalper/broker/whatever was if you actually encountered one on the street or called one on the phone. You couldn't get angry about prices, because you couldn't see the prices.
The bands had no idea either. So they were happy to sell their tickets for $22.50 and get a packed house (and obviously they were selling records). They didn't know that a broker was selling the same ticket for $75 to customers calling on the phone. Yeah, they knew, but they didn't "know."
Now, everybody knows. The angry fans, the customers, the agents, the bands...so everybody wants their cut. Springsteen didn't undervalue the Izod - he undervalued pretty much every show he played from 1975 to 2001. Garth Brooks charged a flat $18.50 for his shows in 1997 - is that intelligently pro fan, or did he leave MILLIONS of dollars on the table? Take your pick.
Ticketmaster had ZERO security for the 1999 tour - there were no 'capchas.' So brokers could sit on computers and grab every drib and drab of releases for those 1999 shows especially. The fans, back then, had just started using the Internet, so they didn't know such as thing as a "release" even existed.
But, now everybody thinks they can be a ticket broker, so we have stories like "some college student who made $100,000 selling on Stub Hub." Maybe a few years ago, but now there's total competition. It ends up being a reverse auction, where everybody's racing to the bottom price.
For the artisit, the internet is a godsend. Now they have a simple, easy way to sell tickets and its easy for customers to see if things are available. I can't remember how many shows I didn't go to growing up because I just figured "it must be sold out," because I had to sit and wait on Ticketmaster phones for hours. Now, Bruce can play 5 Giants Stadium shows because you can check for tickets, and buy tickets.
Bruce, and other artists, aren't fools. He knows he isn't selling out five football stadium shows - but he plays a couple shows where there is a tight sellout, and big demand, and it creates the buzz for those football stadium shows so he can sell all those tickets. He leaves a little money on the table with the Izod shows, but makes it back and then some since all those people who got shut out are now all but certain to try and get in the Giants shows.
Paul McCartney isn't going to sell out two Fenway Park shows - but who cares? He still sells at least 50,000 tickets at more than $100 per. The Internet made all that possible.
A little venue like Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom used to live or die by beach weather, but now they sell out every show because people can see the schedule months in advance. A few years back they were open June to August only, and tickets were easy. Now it's Februrary to Novemeber, and I bet they sell out 75 percent of their shows.
It took them a long time, but the artists for the most part have priced their tickets exactly right. You don't quite get a sellout, but you maximize rthe value of the tickets that you do sell, and you reduce the secondary market a little more at a time. For all the tickets that Stub Hub sells, it basically represents the same number that once were sold by independent, unaffiliated ticket brokers. It's not more tickets - it's the same number of seats that you can now see for sale in one place. The secondary market is a few years from being irrelevant, except for the scalpers on the street buying and selling extras - and until they go 100 percent paperless (which I doubt is really feasible) that will never die.
So, good story...missing a lot of context, though
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